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thor thunder · Oct 30, 2007, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Warrior+IW whats your point of view on it?

I know its bad energy magment
I know meshmers can do more dmg with it

But i have seen a few builds with it because it does consistant high armor ignoring dmg (32-5) with high illusion and those build work great (SOLO).

I brought this up in Incgamer and people fliped out.. am i wrong? is IW a forbiden skill..? it seems to me that the skill is good you just have to use it correctly.

post your thoughts, here is link to incgamer thread,

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...465369&page=12

I think the people in inc are just stuborn and unready to try somthing because everybody else says its stupid..

A Leprechaun · Oct 30, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Well I think its ok for messing about but you wont be doing nearly as much damage as you would if you just went and hit stuff, remember you dont gain adrenaline with IW and you cant use attacks skills. So basicaly it wont work very well, but I guess if your just henching some PvE then go for it.
~A Leprechaun~

jaeharys targaryen · Oct 30, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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I think the people in inc are just stuborn and unready to try somthing because everybody else says its stupid..

if theres 12 pages of people saying IW is baed, and 1 of you, whos being stubborn?

IW has been around since the first day GW was out. nearly everyone has felt the need, and tried it. nearly everyone of that initial nearly everyone realized it sucked

IW is baed. put flail on your warrior, with a customized 15^50 axe and 12 mastery. compare your damage to:a flurried IW with 12 spec in illusion. consider the damage. then conider you used a strippable elite to do the same or less damage than just using a native warrior weapon

Simath · Oct 30, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Warrior + IW = terribad

End of discussion.

RotteN · Oct 30, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

a warrior does more damage without it, so what's the point ?

Plus IW can actually be stripped off, which suddenly puts you with no damage at all for the next 20ish seconds ...

just remember : new ideas can be fun and all, but some of those "new" ideas aren't new at all, and when everyone says it sucks, maybe everyone else might just be right ...

Prof Of Black · Oct 30, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

A warrior does much more damage then IW

, so I dont see a point in using it.

~Prof.

Stormlord Alex · Oct 30, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

IW is already baed on mesmers.

... it's worse on warriors that can actually deal damage with their weapon.

Only real use for it is in some farming build, but... This is the wrong forum for that.

iridescentfyre · Oct 30, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

If you want to be creative and different, that's fine... just don't do it at the expense of usefulness. Its better to be skilled and well-practiced with a good, established build than just using a shitty build for the sake of diversity.

Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior.

Turbobusa · Oct 30, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

when you can dish the same using you weapon AND lock your target with shock/bulls strike, I don't see why you would want to bring IW and be easily kite-able.

mog wai · Oct 30, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Yes IW sucks on this Forum as well

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Stormlord Alex · Oct 30, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by mog wai

Yes IW sucks on this Forum as well

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funnily enough, it also sucks in Guild Wars... coincidence? Fate? ... or... IW is bad?

Hmm...
Don't worry, Mog Wai... I do my best to keep idiocy under control over here

martialis · Oct 30, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior.

He gives the reasons, but he doesn't say what they mean. If you want to use useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail, then use a normal build. If not, then go ahead and use IW, it makes no difference.

thor thunder · Oct 30, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

yeah i know what you guys are saying. I not saying IW is ELITE! but in sertin senerios its enetertaining, Im a huge fan of the w/0 class i WOULD NEVER RUN IW IN A GROUP that would just be stupid i can see that when i read the skill but im talking about comeing up with a creative build for it against blinding or blocking targets with high armor i would use a mesh but i dont like that class armor style, so i was trying to find a way to use IW on my warrior.

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

If you want to be creative and different, that's fine... just don't do it at the expense of usefulness. Its better to be skilled and well-practiced with a good, established build than just using a shitty build for the sake of diversity.

Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior.

True till you run into a blinding sorcerer then your just dead lol.

Stormlord Alex · Oct 30, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

True till you run into a blinding sorcerer then your just dead lol.

Hi, I'm a monk. I use condition removers so you don't have to use a shit build. Srssly.

iridescentfyre · Oct 30, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

True till you run into a blinding sorcerer then your just dead lol.

[skill]Distracting Blow[/skill] or [skill]Savage Slash[/skill] much?

Or if you simply must, [skill]Mending Touch[/skill]

Regardless, there's always going to be a counter to you. That's the nature of Guild Wars. It doesn't mean you need to run a shitty build just because being blind freaks you out so much. You can still counter an IW Warrior with Curses/Illusion/Domination hexes. Does that mean you have to take another pointless skill to deal with those, too? Just accept your weaknesses and learn to be good at managing them.

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Originally Posted by martialis

He gives the reasons, but he doesn't say what they mean. If you want to use useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail, then use a normal build. If not, then go ahead and use IW, it makes no difference.

I should not need to have elaborated on what I said at all. What I was pointing out was that Dragon Slash offers the same damage scale as IW, and since its a primary class attribute you aren't stuck at 12. Furthermore, it offers the same armor ignoring damage as IW ON TOP OF the base damage of your sword, critical hit chance and all. And if all that weren't enough, the entire Dragon Slash build powers an entire host of extremely useful skills that benefit your group.

thor thunder · Oct 30, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

[skill]Distracting Blow[/skill] or [skill]Savage Slash[/skill] much?

Or if you simply must, [skill]Mending Touch[/skill]

Regardless, there's always going to be a counter to you. That's the nature of Guild Wars. It doesn't mean you need to run a shitty build just because being blind freaks you out so much. You can still counter an IW Warrior with Curses/Illusion/Domination hexes. Does that mean you have to take another pointless skill to deal with those, too? Just accept your weaknesses and learn to be good at managing them.

I should not need to have elaborated on what I said at all. What I was pointing out was that Dragon Slash offers the same damage scale as IW, and since its a primary class attribute you aren't stuck at 12. Furthermore, it offers the same armor ignoring damage as IW ON TOP OF the base damage of your sword, critical hit chance and all. And if all that weren't enough, the entire Dragon Slash build powers an entire host of extremely useful skills that benefit your group.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Hi, I'm a monk. I use condition removers so you don't have to use a shit build. Srssly.

Can your read? i mean i put it in bold for you and everything.. I guess il just sadly repeat I WOULD NOT USE THIS SKILL IN A GROUP that would just be stupid. get it now?
I know there are counters but they have cooldowns and its boring spaming them away.
Im not talking about useing this skill in general use, i want a specific build that works with it to farm sertin areas.. like oh the titans! not like there was a build made for that already =O , o man thats blashemy.

iridescentfyre · Oct 30, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by thor thunder

Can your read?

Sure, I can read. Can your?

I don't know why you're getting upset, you asked our opinions on why its unpopular, I'm explaining why. The only [extremely vague] mention to farming builds in your original post is when you randomly placed "(SOLO)" at the end of a sentence.

For farming purposes, I've never heard of it used. I've given a cursory glance to the Farming boards, and PvXwiki and they don't have IW farming builds mentioned. Do you have somewhere in mind for it to be used? Where would using it be preferable to using other Warrior farming builds, or just going Me/W for IW?

majiger · Oct 30, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

I say that IW with a warrior is pretty cool. I usually use it in TA or sometimes in RA. Because if you start fighting against all the reg melee counter (blind, hexes, yada yada, hexes still hurt T.T) you usually dont stop doing dmg. Ex. you get blinded usually u keep hacking away while pinging to your monk, "I have Blind on me!" and they either dont have condition removal(dont know why) or you dont even have a monk. With IW tho you can continue to keep doing dmg.

Also the upkeep and enrg problems...well I can get 60enrg on my warrior no problem, use either Rajazan's fervor or Totem axe (or another caster perf weapon) + Illusion off hand, I like to have +15erng -1regen, and have ur energy insignias and some attunment runes, with just full enrg insig, +5enrg weapon, +12enrg focus with +15 -1, you get 59enrg...switch to inspiration magic instead of tactics and take enrg tap, Ether feast, and ether signet or not even use inspiration and use Kitah's Burden, you get your foe moving real slow so you can catch up to him and when it ends u get 20enrg.

Ex build would be like: IW, Kitah's Burden, shrinking armor, an ASPD, sprint, Heal sig/Lion's comfort, Body Blow, and res sig
Attributes would be something like 9 str, 8+1 Sword or axe, 12 illusion.
Having the mastery lets you dmg even without IW and the shrinking armor increases your dmg(only on non-caster classes.)

btw i never tried that build above, i just made something up on the spot.

But it is really fun, if you don't care for dmg but feel like messing around its fun.

Whiskeyjack · Oct 30, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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say that IW with a warrior is pretty cool. I usually use it in TA or sometimes in RA. Because if you start fighting against all the reg melee counter (blind, hexes, yada yada, hexes still hurt T.T) you usually dont stop doing dmg. Ex. you get blinded usually u keep hacking away while pinging to your monk, "I have Blind on me!" and they either dont have condition removal(dont know why) or you dont even have a monk. With IW tho you can continue to keep doing dmg.

Yeah i like using a monk with no skills on my bar so daze has no effect on me, its great!

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btw i never tried that build above, i just made something up on the spot.

That much is patently obvious.

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But it is really fun, if you don't care for dmg but feel like messing around its fun

You realise that damage is basically a warriors purpose dont you? If you are usng a build that bad you are basically handicapping your team, it's a form of griefing in my eyes.

majiger · Oct 30, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Meh, ppl in pvp (RA and TA) are way to serious with the playing... where is the old pvp where people were just trying out builds they are messing around with?

And actually I do play IW with a war, that specific build is just made up but i think it MIGHT, its like 40%chance of failing, work.